For ad-free listening to all of our shows, exclusive bonus episodes of The Trial every week, and complete access to our show archives, subscribe to The Crime Desk now. Visit thecrimedesk.com to become a member.Australian mother-of-two Erin Patterson, will stand trial, accused of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder, after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex-husband’s family members In July of 2023, Gail Patterson, Don Patterson and Heather Wilkinson all died, and Ian Wilkinson was left fighting for life after eating Beef Wellington served at a family lunch. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpodEmail us the...
S1 E31 · Tue, July 08, 2025
It’s the day after the jury returned their guilty verdicts for Erin Patterson. She is now one of the world’s most notorious killers and today we wanted to try to analyse what makes someone so seemingly ordinary become a mass killer. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E30 · Mon, July 07, 2025
Erin Patterson is a mass murderer. The jury in Victoria, Australia have today found her guilty of murdering her in-laws by poisoning them with deadly death cap mushrooms. The jury agreed that she lured them to her house by lying about having cancer, before she fed them a deadly meal. Then as they got sicker and sicker, she played lego and she went to Subway. In today’s episode Caroline and Wayne have the full story from court. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E29 · Mon, June 30, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment the jury started their deliberations. After giving them their final instructions, the judge, Mr Justice Beale, balotted the jury down from 14 to 12 and told them to start considering their verdicts. We also explain why the jury will not be allowed to go home now until they have decided on those verdicts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E28 · Fri, June 27, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have more of the words from the judge as he continues to sum the case up to the jury. He told them that just because Erin Patterson is a liar does not mean she is guilty of murder. On Monday he will hand the case over to them as they start to deliberate on their verdicts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E27 · Wed, June 25, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne, for the first time, have the words of the judge as he tells the jury the fate of Erin Patterson will be in their hands. He has told them not to be swayed by prejudice or by sympathy and not to be influenced by the views of their family and friends. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E26 · Thu, June 19, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne having the final words from Erin Patterson. Her defence barrister told the jury the prosecution had failed to reach the “high bar” to prove their case beyond reasonable doubt with “illogical” arguments. He said Erin Patterson’s lies may have been morally wrong but they did not make her guilty of triple murder. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E25 · Wed, June 18, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear that Erin Patterson told “lots of lies” because she had a lot on the line including the possibility of losing her children. But those lies did not make her guilty of triple murder, according to her defence barrister. Plus we hear for the first time that she may have become sick before her lunch guests because she’s been tasting the mushroom mixture as she was cooking it. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E24 · Tue, June 17, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear there is no motive in this case. That Erin Patterson loved her in-laws and had no reason to kill them. In fact she “needed them in her life”. But we also hear accusations that she was duplicitous, of pretending to care about them but then mocking them online. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E23 · Mon, June 16, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the closing speech from the Prosecutor. Dr Nanette Rogers said Erin Patterson had planned the lunch in great detail setting her “trail” of lies weeks before. She also said those lies were exposed because she hadn’t succeeded in killing one of her lunch guests who then gave evidence against her. Dr Rogers also said Erin Patterson had tried to cover her tracks but she was “inconsistent” in her stories. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E22 · Fri, June 13, 2025
In today’s episode Caroline and Wayne have the final moments of the case against Erin Patterson. All the evidence has now been heard and in the coming days the case will finally be summed up before the jury start to consider their verdicts. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E21 · Wed, June 11, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear Erin Patterson deny covering her tracks when she realised the doctors suspected death cap mushrooms were to blame for poisoning Don, Gail, Ian and Heather. She also said she did not serve her own meal on a different coloured plate to her guests as an extra “precaution”. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E20 · Tue, June 10, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear Erin Patterson deny covering her tracks when she realised the doctors suspected death cap mushrooms were to blame for poisoning Don, Gail, Ian and Heather. She also said she did not serve her own meal on a different coloured plate to her guests as an extra “precaution”. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E19 · Mon, June 09, 2025
In this special episode Caroline and Wayne pull all the strands together - what we know so far about what the prosecution say happened to cause the deaths of Don, Gail and Heather, and which of the allegations Erin Patterson has refuted after a week in the witness box. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E18 · Fri, June 06, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson denied being two-faced and that she only pretended to love her in-laws. She also denied luring them to the lunch to make sure her husband Simon also came - so she could feed him poisoned beef wellington. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E18 · Fri, June 06, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson denied being two-faced and that she only pretended to love her in-laws. She also denied luring them to the lunch to make sure her husband Simon also came - so she could feed him poisoned beef wellington. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E17 · Thu, June 05, 2025
Did Erin Patterson deliberately lure her husband’s family for lunch with lies about her health so she could kill them? That’s the accusation that has now been put to her. In today’s episode Caroline and Wayne have got all the details along with how she’s also accused of weighing death cap mushrooms to enable her to calculate the exact dose to kill. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E17 · Thu, June 05, 2025
Did Erin Patterson deliberately lure her husband’s family for lunch with lies about her health so she could kill them? That’s the accusation that has now been put to her. In today’s episode Caroline and Wayne have got all the details along with how she’s also accused of weighing death cap mushrooms to enable her to calculate the exact dose to kill. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E16 · Wed, June 04, 2025
Today Caroline and Wayne have the evidence from day three of Erin Patterson in the witness box giving evidence in her defence. She admitted that she dumped the food dehydrator after her husband Simon asked her if she’d used it to poison his parents. She said she panicked about what he was accusing her of and that her children might be taken away. She also admitted she lied about having cancer treatment because she was too ashamed to say she was really having gastric band surgery. And she says she feared that death cap mushrooms may have accidentally got mixed up with shop bought ones and then added to the beef wellingtons to add flavour. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E16 · Wed, June 04, 2025
Today Caroline and Wayne have the evidence from day three of Erin Patterson in the witness box giving evidence in her defence. She admitted that she dumped the food dehydrator after her husband Simon asked her if she’d used it to poison his parents. She said she panicked about what he was accusing her of and that her children might be taken away. She also admitted she lied about having cancer treatment because she was too ashamed to say she was really having gastric band surgery. And she says she feared that death cap mushrooms may have accidentally got mixed up with shop bought ones and then added to the beef wellingtons to add flavour. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E15 · Tue, June 03, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson accepted there were death cap mushrooms in the beef wellingtons she served which killed three members of her husband’s family. The admission came as she gave evidence for a second day in her trial. She also says she became interested in foraging during Covid. Plus she admits she was never diagnosed with cancer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E15 · Tue, June 03, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson accepted there were death cap mushrooms in the beef wellingtons she served which killed three members of her husband’s family. The admission came as she gave evidence for a second day in her trial. She also says she became interested in foraging during Covid. Plus she admits she was never diagnosed with cancer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E14 · Mon, June 02, 2025
In this emergency update episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson started giving evidence in her defence. For the first time she spoke of her relationship with her estranged husband and her in-laws, and she said she had been fighting a "never ending battle" with self-esteem her entire adult life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E14 · Mon, June 02, 2025
In this emergency update episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson started giving evidence in her defence. For the first time she spoke of her relationship with her estranged husband and her in-laws, and she said she had been fighting a "never ending battle" with self-esteem her entire adult life. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E13 · Fri, May 30, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear the evidence of the police lead investigator challenged by Erin Paterson’s defence team. We also have more of the Facebook messages she was sending to her friends in the True Crime group chat. Plus we hear how she was consistently worried about her health. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E13 · Fri, May 30, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear the evidence of the police lead investigator challenged by Erin Paterson’s defence team. We also have more of the Facebook messages she was sending to her friends in the True Crime group chat. Plus we hear how she was consistently worried about her health. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E12 · Tue, May 27, 2025
In this episode we have, for the first time, the words of Erin Patterson. In her first police interview in the days after the lunch she lied by saying she didn’t own a food dehydrator when she had dumped it at the tip hours before. She also said she loved her in-laws because they were the only family she had left. We also heard evidence that she was left alone with her mobile phone during the police search at her home, and at around the same time, the data was wiped from it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E12 · Tue, May 27, 2025
In this episode we have, for the first time, the words of Erin Patterson. In her first police interview in the days after the lunch she lied by saying she didn’t own a food dehydrator when she had dumped it at the tip hours before. She also said she loved her in-laws because they were the only family she had left. We also heard evidence that she was left alone with her mobile phone during the police search at her home, and at around the same time, the data was wiped from it. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E11 · Fri, May 23, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the messages Erin Patterson allegedly sent to her Facebook friends about her in-laws. In the messages she calls her husband Simon a “deadbeat” and expresses her frustration that his parents won’t intervene in her dispute with him over money. We also have the details of the final hours and days of Don, Gail and Heather and the miraculous recovery of Ian. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E11 · Fri, May 23, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the messages Erin Patterson allegedly sent to her Facebook friends about her in-laws. In the messages she calls her husband Simon a “deadbeat” and expresses her frustration that his parents won’t intervene in her dispute with him over money. We also have the details of the final hours and days of Don, Gail and Heather and the miraculous recovery of Ian. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Trailer · Tue, May 20, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear from a poisons expert who posted pictures of death cap mushrooms growing a few miles from Erin Patterson’s home. And we have the evidence from a mobile phone expert who says her mobile phone was recorded in the same location weeks later. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Trailer · Tue, May 20, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne hear from a poisons expert who posted pictures of death cap mushrooms growing a few miles from Erin Patterson’s home. And we have the evidence from a mobile phone expert who says her mobile phone was recorded in the same location weeks later. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E9 · Thu, May 15, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment a juror was dismissed from the trial after being accused of breaking the rules. We also have more about mushrooms - of course - and if foragers can tell a toxic one from an edible one. Plus we have more on the rows Erin and Simon Patterson were having about money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E9 · Thu, May 15, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment a juror was dismissed from the trial after being accused of breaking the rules. We also have more about mushrooms - of course - and if foragers can tell a toxic one from an edible one. Plus we have more on the rows Erin and Simon Patterson were having about money. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E8 · Tue, May 13, 2025
Today Caroline and Wayne have some Lessons in Mushrooms from an expert known as Funkey Tom who gave evidence to the trial. He told the jury what the distinctive characteristics are of Death Cap Mushrooms. We also have the evidence of the Public Health expert who first asked Erin Patterson if she had foraged for the mushrooms she served in the beef wellingtons. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E8 · Tue, May 13, 2025
Today Caroline and Wayne have some Lessons in Mushrooms from an expert known as Funkey Tom who gave evidence to the trial. He told the jury what the distinctive characteristics are of Death Cap Mushrooms. We also have the evidence of the Public Health expert who first asked Erin Patterson if she had foraged for the mushrooms she served in the beef wellingtons. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E7 · Fri, May 09, 2025
In the episode Caroline and Wayne have the words of Erin Patterson’s two children. They were aged 14 and nine at the time and they were video interviewed shortly after the lunch. In their evidence they say their mum was too sick to go to church the morning after the lunch. We also have more details of how the toxins in death cap mushrooms destroy the human body. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E7 · Fri, May 09, 2025
In the episode Caroline and Wayne have the words of Erin Patterson’s two children. They were aged 14 and nine at the time and they were video interviewed shortly after the lunch. In their evidence they say their mum was too sick to go to church the morning after the lunch. We also have more details of how the toxins in death cap mushrooms destroy the human body. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E6 · Thu, May 08, 2025
In this update episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson’s daughter told police what she knew. She was just nine at the time and in court we saw the video of her being interviewed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E6 · Thu, May 08, 2025
In this update episode Caroline and Wayne have the moment Erin Patterson’s daughter told police what she knew. She was just nine at the time and in court we saw the video of her being interviewed. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E5 · Tue, May 06, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the evidence of the only person to survive the beef wellington lunch. Over several hours in the witness box Ian Wilkinson spoke for the first time about what happened during Erin Patterson’s lunch party. He explained how he and his wife Heather fell ill that night and he didn’t know until he came out of a coma weeks later that she had died, along with her sister Gail and her husband Don. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E5 · Tue, May 06, 2025
In this episode Caroline and Wayne have the evidence of the only person to survive the beef wellington lunch. Over several hours in the witness box Ian Wilkinson spoke for the first time about what happened during Erin Patterson’s lunch party. He explained how he and his wife Heather fell ill that night and he didn’t know until he came out of a coma weeks later that she had died, along with her sister Gail and her husband Don. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E4 · Mon, May 05, 2025
In this update episode Caroline and Wayne have more of the evidence from Erin Patterson’s estranged husband Simon. He denies asking her if she used a food dehydrator “to poison them”. We also hear from members of a true crime Facebook group which Erin was a member of. She told women on the group her husband was coercive and controlling and she didn’t like his religious beliefs. We also hear about a row over his mother’s 70th birthday party. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E4 · Mon, May 05, 2025
In this update episode Caroline and Wayne have more of the evidence from Erin Patterson’s estranged husband Simon. He denies asking her if she used a food dehydrator “to poison them”. We also hear from members of a true crime Facebook group which Erin was a member of. She told women on the group her husband was coercive and controlling and she didn’t like his religious beliefs. We also hear about a row over his mother’s 70th birthday party. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E3 · Thu, May 01, 2025
Today Caroline and Wayne have the evidence of Erin Patterson’s husband Simon, He told the jury he was estranged from his wife but they had a friendly relationship until there was a row over school fees in 2022. A few months later he said he was invited to the lunch where members of his family were poisoned, but the night before he decided not to go. Erin Patterson denies three charges of murder and one of attempted murder. She says what happened was a tragic accident. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E3 · Thu, May 01, 2025
Today Caroline and Wayne have the evidence of Erin Patterson’s husband Simon, He told the jury he was estranged from his wife but they had a friendly relationship until there was a row over school fees in 2022. A few months later he said he was invited to the lunch where members of his family were poisoned, but the night before he decided not to go. Erin Patterson denies three charges of murder and one of attempted murder. She says what happened was a tragic accident. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E2 · Thu, May 01, 2025
Erin Patterson, the woman accused of murdering and attempting to murder her in-laws using poisonous mushrooms in Australia, has admitted repeatedly lying. As the case against her opened today in front of the jury, Caroline and Wayne have the details of how she invited her relatives over for lunch to discuss her health, and then allegedly deliberately poisoned them with death-cap mushrooms. She denies the charges against her and says she never intended to harm anyone. But she admits that she lied repeatedly during the investigation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E2 · Thu, May 01, 2025
Erin Patterson, the woman accused of murdering and attempting to murder her in-laws using poisonous mushrooms in Australia, has admitted repeatedly lying. As the case against her opened today in front of the jury, Caroline and Wayne have the details of how she invited her relatives over for lunch to discuss her health, and then allegedly deliberately poisoned them with death-cap mushrooms. She denies the charges against her and says she never intended to harm anyone. But she admits that she lied repeatedly during the investigation. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 E1 · Tue, April 29, 2025
The woman accused of murdering and attempting to murder members of her husband’s family in July 2023 has finally gone on trial. Erin Patterson allegedly served a lunch which contained poisonous mushrooms at her home in the small town of Leongatha in Victoria in Australia. A week later three of the people who attended the lunch were dead, another was seriously ill. We’re in the courtroom with the details of what the jury were told as they were sworn in to try to case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 E1 · Tue, April 29, 2025
The woman accused of murdering and attempting to murder members of her husband’s family in July 2023 has finally gone on trial. Erin Patterson allegedly served a lunch which contained poisonous mushrooms at her home in the small town of Leongatha in Victoria in Australia. A week later three of the people who attended the lunch were dead, another was seriously ill. We’re in the courtroom with the details of what the jury were told as they were sworn in to try to case. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Trailer · Fri, April 25, 2025
Next week, The Trial returns, taking you inside three of the most explosive legal battles playing out across the globe. In the U.S.A., music mogul Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs stands accused of multiple charges including sex trafficking and racketeering, which he strongly denies. We'll be on the ground, reporting the facts as his trial unfolds in New York. In Australia, Erin Patterson will stand trial, accused of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder, after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex-husband’s family members. We’ll be reporting from the courtroom in Morwell, Victoria as the case plays out. And in Paris, the men accused of robbing Kim Kardashian at gunpoint in 2016 finally stand trial. We’ll be there, reporting every detail as it happens. Follow all of our feeds now to listen. The Trial of Diddy The Trial of Erin Patterson The Trial See you next week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
Trailer · Fri, April 25, 2025
Next week, The Trial returns, taking you inside three of the most explosive legal battles playing out across the globe. In the U.S.A., music mogul Sean ‘Diddy’ Combs stands accused of multiple charges including sex trafficking and racketeering, which he strongly denies. We'll be on the ground, reporting the facts as his trial unfolds in New York. In Australia, Erin Patterson will stand trial, accused of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder, after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex-husband’s family members. We’ll be reporting from the courtroom in Morwell, Victoria as the case plays out. And in Paris, the men accused of robbing Kim Kardashian at gunpoint in 2016 finally stand trial. We’ll be there, reporting every detail as it happens. Follow all of our feeds now to listen. The Trial of Diddy The Trial of Erin Patterson The Trial See you next week. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
S1 Enull · Wed, September 18, 2024
Australian mother-of-two, Erin Patterson will stand trial, accused of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder, after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex-husband’s family members. In July of 2023, Gail Patterson, Don Patterson and Heather Wilkinson all died, and Ian Wilkinson was left fighting for life after eating Beef Wellington served at a family lunch. In this episode broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham and Melbourne based correspondent, Wayne Flower discuss the case and the tight reporting restrictions in place in the run up to the trial which is set for 28th April 2025. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Wayne Flower Guest: Paul Svilans Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.
S1 Enull · Wed, September 18, 2024
Australian mother-of-two, Erin Patterson will stand trial, accused of three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder, after allegedly serving poisonous mushrooms to her ex-husband’s family members. In July of 2023, Gail Patterson, Don Patterson and Heather Wilkinson all died, and Ian Wilkinson was left fighting for life after eating Beef Wellington served at a family lunch. In this episode broadcast journalist Caroline Cheetham and Melbourne based correspondent, Wayne Flower discuss the case and the tight reporting restrictions in place in the run up to the trial which is set for 28th April 2025. Follow us on instagram @thetrialpod Email us thetrial@mailmetromedia.co.uk Whatsapp us +447796657512 (start your message with ‘Trial’) Presenters: Caroline Cheetham and Wayne Flower Guest: Paul Svilans Editor: Chelsey Moore Creative Director: Caroline Cheetham Executive Producer: Lucy Vallance A Daily Mail production. Seriously Popular. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
Trailer · Tue, September 17, 2024
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Trailer · Tue, September 17, 2024
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